024 – Doug Shows

Doug Shows is a veteran official having spent the last 25 years working at the Division 1 level. He works primarily in the SEC – the Southeastern Conference. This past Saturday he officiated the Arkansas vs. Auburn game.

Doug has also been to the Final Four three times in the last seven years.

He brings to our conversation a wealth of knowledge and wisdom. It was a wonderful privilege for me to have this conversation with him. And it’s a joy for me to bring it to you.


023 – Coach Ritchie McKay

Liberty University men’s basketball coach, Ritchie McKay, joins us to talk about the relationship between coaches and officials. From a coach’s perspective, how should officials be prepared to officiate a game? From an officials perspective, how should a coach be managed in tough situations? Coach McKay has four observations to pass along to officials. They are:

  1. Coaches see the outcome of the game as a reflection of themselves.
  2. Officials need to come prepared.
  3. Officials must work together as a crew to communicate effectively.
  4. Coaches have long memories.

022 – Making March Madness by Chad Carlson

The game we love has quite a history. Chad Carlson uncovers some fascinating aspects of the game’s early years. Did you know that in various parts of the country there were different rules for the traveling violation? In some leagues, double-dribbling was legal. Listen in on this enlightening conversation about the history shaping our game to become what it is today.

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021 – ACC Supervisor of Men’s Basketball Officials, Bryan Kersey

At the time of this episode upload, 5 of the Top 25 teams in men’s NCAA D1 basketball are in the ACC. With teams like Duke and North Carolina, and 13 other outstanding basketball programs, Bryan Kersey has a very important job. He assigns all the officials for ACC. What does it take to get great refs for the upcoming schedule, all the while thinking about building for the future? With some of Division 1’s top officials (Roger Ayers, Mike Eades, and Teddy Valentine) on his roster, Kersey loves his job.

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020 – Daring Greatly

The RoundBall Referee returns for the 2017-2018 season with a confession and a word of encouragement. Borrowing from the title of Brené Brown‘s book Daring Greatly I pick up on the theme of what it means for me and this podcast to dare greatly, and doing so for those of us in our basketball officiating. At the end of the show I preview the conversation I had with next week’s episode guest, Bryan Kersey (ACC supervisor of officials).


019 – NBA Official Mark Lindsay

Mark Lindsay has been an NBA Referee for the past ten seasons. He recently took over as  the new director of the Proactive Referee Officiating Camp. The camp is held each summer in Philadelphia, PA. This is a premier camp to help you get to the next level.

Mark came on to the show on May 23, 2017 to get the word out about the upcoming camp. But he also spent a lot of time discussing some very important aspects for improving your game as an official. Toward the end of the show he shared a great story of when he called a questionable foul on Golden State Warriors star, Draymond Green.


018 – Camps with Mike Eades and Roger Ayers

Go to CAMP!!! And don’t just take it from me. Mike Eades and Roger Ayers will tell you the same thing. Both of them have been selected to officiate the NCAA Division 1 Final Four in years past. Mike was selected most recently to work this year’s Final between Gonzaga and North Carolina. And together, Mike and Roger are putting on their own camp June 22-24, 2017 – The Referee’s Choice camp in Lynchburg, VA. (click LINK to see camp flyer)

Also, if you haven’t seen THIS ARTICLE by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune, you’ll want to check it out. Mike is featured along with Gene Steratore.


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017 -Common or Intentional Foul? with Nuf Perez

When a team is purposely trying to foul as a strategy for winning, how do you distinguish between a common and an intentional foul? Long-time, veteran high school and college official, Nuf Perez, encountered this very question. He shares with us the end-of-game situation he and his crew recently had that became a first-time learning experience.


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016 – J.D. Collins NCAA National Coordinator of Men’s Basketball Officiating

J.D. Collins NCAA National Coordinator of Men’s Basketball Officiating joins us to discuss this year’s six areas of emphasis related to “freedom of movement.” They are:

  • Hand checking/body bumping the ball-handler
  • Screening
  • Freedom of movement for cutters
  • Offense-initiated contact on legal defenders
  • Physical post play
  • Rebounding

For more information, check out these links:

USA Today (November 30, 2016) – College Basketball Rules Will Again Emphasize Reducing Physicality

USA Today (May 5, 2015) – J.D. Collins Named Coordinator of College Basketball Officiating

For another great podcast interview with J.D., check out:

37 the Podcast – S2 Ep 18: J.D. Collins – Leading from NCAA Officiating and Conflict






015 – The WhistleBlower by Bob Katz

What does it take to officiate basketball at the highest level? For the guys who get there, what’s it really like? Officiating insiders, like ourselves, ask these questions. When you sit down to watch a game on any sports network, you wonder: who’s working that night, how’d they get to that point, what’s demanded of them?

Bob Katz, who has written for Sports Illustrated, the Boston Globe, the Chicago Tribune, and the New York Times, has written a book about the very thing we’ve so passionately committed ourselves: refereeing the game of basketball. The WhistlBlower: Rooting for the Ref in the High-Stakes World of College Basketball tells the story of officiating great, Ed Hightower.  It also tells our story, the one we live night-after-night, November through March.

Bob has generously given the officiating community the gift of this book. And he has given us his time to share a bit more about his experience in writing the book and spending time with basketball officials.

Click here to purchase The WhistleBlower

You can also check out an article Bob recently wrote for the Boston Globe titled: “Why Fans Should See Like Refs”.

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